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Strong quake shakes Southern California

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Preliminary information from the U.S. Geological Survey estimated the quake at magnitude 5.8, centered 29 miles east-southeast of downtown Los Angeles near Chino Hills in San Bernardino County.

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{"commentId":2311989,"authorDomain":"nntv"}

My husband called me to Irvine from Riverside Tyler Mall, it was horrible, people were running and kids crying, he felt like the Mall was going to crack, He says it's the worst he has ever experienced! In Irvine, it was an up and down shake! I fell to the floor, it was scary.

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Reply#1 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
{"commentId":2314868,"authorDomain":"writingathena"}

After being within 50 miles of the epicenter of both the '89 Loma Prieta quake ("World Series" quake) and the '94 Northridge quake when they hit, and after having felt a bazillion minor and moderate quakes over my lifetime in California, I am having a really hard time understanding people's description of this as a "terrible" quake. I saw one newscaster call it a "major earthquake"--two hours after it happened, and when it was abundantly clear that it was exciting while it happened and (thankfully) nothing more.

It was a 5.4--technically a moderate quake--but there was practically no damage, no visible disruption of LA freeway traffic, no serious injuries. The only major disruption of infrastructure was people getting on their cell phones and clogging the phone lines.

I guess it must have been major if you've only felt little ones before, but I couldn't believe the news coverage devoted to this. I guess it was all those viewer emails pouring in.

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#1.1 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:12 PM EDT
{"commentId":2317880,"authorDomain":"mauser"}

The Sky is Falling !! The Sky is Falling !! Too many "newbies" in SoCal - which is part of the reason I left and moved to Florida. Yeah - Hurricanes and such; but, until you've lived through something like the Landers quake (and the Big Bear quake that followed shortly thereafter), you really haven't felt an earthquake. Then there was the 7.5 quake out by Bakerfield back in 1952 .... that one bounced me out of my bed back when I was a kid growing up in SoCal. Of course lets not forget Northridge back in the 70's .... that one woke up a few people.

Unfortunately, if you choose to live in SoCal - you have to put up with earthquakes; and, 5.4 isn't much of a quake when compared to others that have occurred in the area. Just wait for the Newport/Inglewood fault to let loose a "good one" again like it did back in 1933. Long Beach area took a pretty good hit then - just imagine now ....

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    #1.2 - Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:07 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":2312010,"authorDomain":"antoniettafierro"}

    We felt it all the way down in Baja, Mexico.
    I live in Mexicali and it seemed long!

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      Reply#2 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:24 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2312037,"authorDomain":"avogel1960"}
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      {"commentId":2312073,"authorDomain":"cjeralds0"}

      Wow, I have been sitting here on the net for hours and didn't feel a thing. even though it was reported some in Vegas did.

      Well, it looks like no one was killed or injured. Thank goodness for that.

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        Reply#4 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2312074,"authorDomain":"jcs3946"}

        Phase Two....

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          Reply#5 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2312119,"authorDomain":"lmartin"}

          People felt it as far up the coast as Goleta, just North of Santa Barbara.

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            Reply#6 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2312142,"authorDomain":"echuck"}

            Here at NBC News in New York, we were on our daily Nightly News planning phone call with producers from around the country when someone in our Burbank, Calif. office interrupted to say the bureau was shaking. Anyone else feel the quake?

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            • 3 votes
            Reply#7 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
            {"commentId":2312175,"authorDomain":"george-nickelsburg"}

            You highlight live coverage on a major earthquake and then make people sit through 29 seconds of useless advertizing. Wehre are your priorities?

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            Reply#8 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":2312221,"authorDomain":"cagday"}

            I was sitting in a restuarant near Van Nuys and at first I thought someone was kicking our booth, then I felt a couple of harder jolts and knew it was an earthquake. Looked outside and saw some signs and telephone poles moving then that was followed by about a minute of gentle rolling. Nobody ran out or panicked and a few minute things were right back to normal.

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              Reply#9 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
              {"commentId":2312265,"authorDomain":"shaechris"}

              I was talking to my husband on the phone, he was in Fontana, and I heard him ask someone there about an earthquake. Just as I said, 'what', I felt it in Victorville. I felt it before I could even ask him about the earthquake he was talking about. It felt pretty strong and it was more of a rolling than shaking. The building my husband was in was rocking he said. Quite a reminder that I need to get earthquake supplies!

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                Reply#10 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:47 PM EDT
                {"commentId":2312411,"authorDomain":"reajohnston"}

                I felt the quake in the Point Loma area of San Diego and my boyfriend felt it on the 35th floor of the office building he works in downtown San Diego. At first I wasn't sure what was going on, but after a second I realized it was a quake. Scared me to death, but I'm glad there were no injuries or any damage.

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                  Reply#11 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:00 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":2312472,"authorDomain":"dmendias"}

                  Long Beach Mem Medical Center is okay. Building really shook and the top floors swayed about 3 or 4 feet each way. All systems okay and business as usual. Currently in our disaster mode making sure patients and families are okay.

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                    Reply#12 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:04 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":2312473,"authorDomain":"yachi-huang"}

                    We felt it down in central San Diego. It was more of a side to side movement. We might have felt it more since we're on the 6th floor. First earthquake I felt in 3 years.

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                      Reply#13 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:04 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":2312485,"authorDomain":"bckm"}

                      I broke two ribs in the Northridge earthquake in 1994; this was nothing in comparison. Some shaking/rolling, and everybody knew it was an earthquake, but it was no big deal.

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                        Reply#14 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:05 PM EDT
                        {"commentId":2312508,"authorDomain":"yachi-huang"}

                        We felt it in central San Diego. It felt like a gentle side to side motion. The motion seems to be heightened since I'm on the 6th floor. First one I felt in 3 years.

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                          Reply#15 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:07 PM EDT
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                          {"commentId":2312518,"authorDomain":"enazd"}

                          I am working in Las Vegas, NV on the 3rd floor of an office building and my co-worker and I felt it. I just thought I was having a bout of vertigo.

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                            Reply#16 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:08 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":2312728,"authorDomain":"cjeralds0"}

                            am working in Las Vegas, NV on the 3rd floor of an office building and my co-worker and I felt it. I just thought I was having a bout of vertigo.

                            Really? Perhaps because I am in the northwest part of the valley, I didn't feel a thing. I was quite surprised to hear that anyone from Vegas felt it. Did you feel any of the aftershocks?

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                              #16.1 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:25 PM EDT
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                              {"commentId":2312522,"authorDomain":"berebara"}

                              has anyone felt it by Twentynine Palms or Palm Springs.

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                                Reply#17 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:09 PM EDT
                                {"commentId":2312527,"authorDomain":"striker00"}

                                I was watching the USGS spokesperson handing out info and I have to say that she wasn't quite accurate. I've lived in LA, at the beach in the South Bay, for 34 years and this was the second strongest quake that I've experienced (Northridge being the strongest). There was substantial shaking for 15-20 seconds followed by about 15 seconds of quiet and then a very strong side-to-side roll began that was in evidence for around 60 sec.

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                                  Reply#18 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:09 PM EDT
                                  {"commentId":2312535,"authorDomain":"lulu3192"}

                                  I am in Palm Desert and felt it. It was more like a rolling sensation out here. Still not a fun experience though, my second earthquake since moving out here from Colorado. I think I prefer the snow over earthquakes. =)

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                                    Reply#19 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:10 PM EDT
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                                    {"commentId":2312546,"authorDomain":"Mosaixshelties"}

                                    I am located in Bonita, CA which is about 7 miles from the Mexican border and we definitely felt it! I was surprised to find out it was so far away.

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                                      Reply#20 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:10 PM EDT
                                      {"commentId":2312550,"authorDomain":"terryallen1971"}

                                      Am i Temecula, about an hour south of the epicenter. The quake lasted about 8 to 10 seconds here. Gentle rolling and a final bang that got your attention...then nada. Big coverage for an insignificant quake. Too deep underground to cause any damage, so let's all go nuts and get the earthquake kit coverage on TV for a few hours before we forget about preparedness until next time.

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                                      Reply#21 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
                                      {"commentId":2314063,"authorDomain":"nancy-melden"}

                                      I agree with Terry in Temecula - much ado about nothing if you ask me. I am sure it felt worse in Chino Hills. Must be a really slow news day.

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                                      #21.1 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:33 PM EDT
                                      {"commentId":2314901,"authorDomain":"writingathena"}

                                      I'm with you guys -- hours of live breathless news reporting about a ho-hum quake.

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                                      #21.2 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:16 PM EDT
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                                      {"commentId":2312552,"authorDomain":"berebara"}

                                      Does anyone know if it was felt in Twentynine Palms Cali. or near Palm Springs....=\

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                                        Reply#22 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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                                        {"commentId":2312560,"authorDomain":"soyasquid"}

                                        SURVIVING AN EARTHQUAKE

                                        EXTRACT FROM DOUG COPP'S ARTICLE ON THE: "TRIANGLE OF LIFE"

                                        My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief and Disaster Manager of the
                                        American Rescue Team International (ARTI), the world's most experienced
                                        rescue team. The information in this article will save lives in an earthquake.

                                        I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with rescue teams
                                        from 60 countries, founded rescue teams in several countries, and I am a
                                        member of many rescue teams from many countries.

                                        I was the United Nations expert in Disaster Mitigation for two years. I
                                        have worked at every major disaster in the world since 1985, except for
                                        simultaneous disasters.

                                        The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in Mexico City
                                        during the 1985 earthquake. Every child was under its desk. Every child
                                        was crushed to the thickness of their bones. They could have survived by
                                        lying down next to their desks in the aisles. It was obscene, unnecessary and
                                        I wondered why the children were not in the aisles. I didn't at the time
                                        know that the children were told to hide under something.

                                        Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of the ceilings
                                        falling upon the objects or furniture inside crushes these objects, leaving a
                                        space or void next to them. This space is what I call the "triangle of life".
                                        The larger the object, the stronger, the less it will compact. The less the
                                        object compacts, the larger the void, the greater the probability that
                                        the person who is using this void for safety will not be injured. The next
                                        time you watch collapsed buildings, on television, count the "triangles" you
                                        see formed. They are everywhere. It is the most common shape, you will see,
                                        in a collapsed building.

                                        TIPS FOR EARTHQUAKE SAFETY

                                        1) Most everyone who simply "ducks and covers" WHEN BUILDINGS COLLAPSE are crushed to death. People who get under objects, like desks or cars, are crushed.

                                        2) Cats, dogs and babies often naturally curl up in the fetal position.
                                        You should too in an earthquake. It is a natural safety/survival instinct. You can survive in a smaller void. Get next to an object, next to a sofa, next to a large bulky object that will compress slightly but leave a void next to it.

                                        3) Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in during
                                        an earthquake. Wood is flexible and moves with the force of the earthquake.
                                        If the wooden building does collapse, large survival voids are created.
                                        Also, the wooden building has less concentrated, crushing weight. Brick
                                        buildings will break into individual bricks. Bricks will cause many injuries but
                                        less squashed bodies than concrete slabs.

                                        4) If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs, simply
                                        roll off the bed. A safe void will exist around the bed. Hotels can achieve a
                                        much greater survival rate in earthquakes, simply by posting a sign on The back of the door of every room telling occupants to lie down on the floor, next to the bottom of the bed during an earthquake.

                                        5) If an earthquake happens and you cannot easily escape by getting out
                                        the door or window, then lie down and curl up in the fetal position next to
                                        a sofa, or large chair.

                                        6) Most everyone who gets under a doorway when buildings collapse is
                                        killed. How? If you stand under a doorway and the door jamb falls forward or
                                        backward you will be crushed by the ceiling above. If the door jam falls sideways you will be cut in half by the doorway. In either case, you will be killed!

                                        7) Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different "moment of
                                        frequency" (they swing separately from the main part of the building).
                                        The stairs and remainder of the building continuously bump into each
                                        other until structural failure of the stairs takes place. The people who get
                                        on stairs before they fail are chopped up by the stair treads - horribly
                                        mutilated. Even if the building doesn't collapse, stay away from the
                                        stairs. The stairs are a likely part of the building to be damaged. Even if the
                                        stairs are not collapsed by the earthquake, they may collapse later when
                                        overloaded by fleeing people. They should always be checked for safety,
                                        even when the rest of the building is not damaged.

                                        8) Get Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them If Possible
                                        - It is much better to be near the outside of the building rather than
                                        the interior. The farther inside you are from the outside perimeter of the
                                        building the greater the probability that your escape route will be
                                        blocked.

                                        9) People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road above falls
                                        in an earthquake and crushes their vehicles; which is exactly what happened
                                        with the slabs between the decks of the Nimitz Freeway. The victims of
                                        the San Francisco earthquake all stayed inside of their vehicles. They were
                                        all killed. They could have easily survived by getting out and sitting or
                                        lying next to their vehicles. Everyone killed would have survived if they had
                                        been able to get out of their cars and sit or lie next to them. All the
                                        crushed cars had voids 3 feet high next to them, except for the cars that had
                                        columns fall directly across them.

                                        10) I discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed newspaper offices
                                        and other offices with a lot of paper, that paper does not compact.
                                        Large voids are found surrounding stacks of paper.

                                        Spread the word and save someone's life... The Entire world is
                                        experiencing natural calamities so be prepared!

                                        "We are but angels with one wing, it takes two to fly"

                                        In 1996 we made a film, which proved my survival methodology to be
                                        correct. The Turkish Federal Government, City of Istanbul , University of
                                        Istanbul Case Productions and ARTI cooperated to film this practical, scientific
                                        test. We collapsed a school and a home with 20 mannequins inside. Ten
                                        mannequins did "duck and cover," and ten mannequins I used in my
                                        "triangle of life" survival method. After the simulated earthquake collapse we
                                        crawled through the rubble and entered the building to film and document the
                                        results. The film, in which I practiced my survival techniques under
                                        directly observable, scientific conditions , relevant to building collapse, showed there would have been zero percent survival for those doing duck
                                        and cover.

                                        There would likely have been 100 percent survivability for people using
                                        my method of the "triangle of life." This film has been seen by millions
                                        of viewers on television in Turkey and the rest of Europe, and it was seen
                                        in the USA , Canada and Latin America on the TV program Real TV

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                                          Reply#23 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":2312769,"authorDomain":"cjeralds0"}

                                          SURVIVING AN EARTHQUAKE

                                          Very interesting. A lot of that stuff I have never even heard before. I have always heard that doorway thing. Interesting to know that is not the best way to survive an earthquake.

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                                            #23.1 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
                                            {"commentId":2312793,"authorDomain":"grzecker"}

                                            thank you for this information. I have never heard of it before and hope I will never need to use it, but I will remember it! The created triangle voids make sense!

                                            {"commentId":2312793,"threadId":"321971","contentId":"1704499","authorDomain":"grzecker"}
                                              #23.2 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:30 PM EDT
                                              {"commentId":2312888,"authorDomain":"may-bigelow"}

                                              I appreciate things like this.. but as always, the first thing I go to on the internet is snopes.com. They had a listing on this particular article. check them out.

                                              Not so much that the information is false but its not entirely accurate either. They list some great links to sites that are designed to help in emergencies. However the most telling thing to me is that this guy is apparently under investigation for fraud by the government.

                                              Just something to think about before blindly passing on information on the internet.

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                                                #23.3 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
                                                {"commentId":2313869,"authorDomain":"striker00"}

                                                Heather, One can only hope that you [and others] don't buy into Copp's self-promotion. Not only is much of his information incorrect, it is very dangerous and could possibly cost someone their life. He is also under investigation for fraud regarding the $650,000 injury claim that he filed (and received) for the 9/11 Towers collapse.

                                                {"commentId":2313869,"threadId":"321971","contentId":"1704499","authorDomain":"striker00"}
                                                  #23.4 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:11 PM EDT
                                                  {"commentId":2316025,"authorDomain":"KarlBratcher"}

                                                  Sounds like very good advise, but perhaps on the wrong format to really do any good. Your information would be well advised on all the news print very near the front page.

                                                  Personally, as a professional estimator, I find the strength of the earthquake at 5.4 Mag to be strikingly low compared to the distance this quake was felt. I would like to see further conformation of the seismic readings .

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                                                    #23.5 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:25 PM EDT
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                                                    {"commentId":2312565,"authorDomain":"roldav"}

                                                    Earthquake was felt while we in bed watching a movie it lasted about 5 minutes
                                                    the bed was shaking I turned to my and said are you shaking the bed?

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                                                      Reply#24 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":2312567,"authorDomain":"sdunlap"}

                                                      I'm in downtown L.A. - on the 47th floor of a much taller building. We shook, swayed and rattled. Our telephones and elevators went down and some of our attorneys and staff turned ghostly white - even got motion sick from the swaying of the building. But, all in all, I've been in worse. My family is very near the epicenter and the teenagers thought it was "awesome" - no damage, no one hurt. No where near the Northridge quake of 1994.

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                                                        Reply#25 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":2312571,"authorDomain":"bobgoldsmith2"}

                                                        I was speaking with my son, on the phone, in Camarillo, CA. He felt it all right. People in the apt. complex began going outside to check it out. Phone service was affected shortly afetr the tremor.

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                                                          Reply#26 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
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